Still having eating issues
#1
Starting last Wednesday, before we left out of town, Ember had begun skipping breakfast 3 days in a row. But she was eating it for dinner (I'd pick it up, refrigerate it, and put the same bowl back down). This was a salmon role that I thought maybe had gone bad.

At the same time I had begun reintroducing Kibble with frozen raw pellets added in. She was eating this pretty good, leaving kibble in the bottom but at least eating it mostly.

Then we went to MB, and she skipped an entire day of food, raw including. That was Friday. Saturday - Monday she ate everything put down - hesitantly but fully. This was mostly a fresh Chicken based roll, but it's not one of the grain free ones.

Yesterday she ate every meal, and I pulled out some boiled chicken from the week before for training. She at all chicken handed her without hesitation, even though to me it's starting to smell a little bad (meaning I'll throw it out tomorrow).

Today she is downright refusing to eat the same chicken based roll (I haven't tried enticing with anything yet). Her stomach is being very very loud.

I'm not concerned enough for a vet yet, she's done this before - but what should I be watching for before concern? Could it be bad chicken? The food in general? The introduction of the kibble (which she hasn't had in 4 days)? I really think she has trouble with grains in general. Even the tapioca flour treats I make her with salmon/liver/chicken, if feed daily for training (and I'm speaking a handful a day), will cause missed meals and loud tummy.
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Maybe she is a girl who would be content with once per day feeding and then come meal time she is likely to be more hungry. Many people feed once per day only and I have also done so. I feed twice now mainly because of Max's Pica problem and thinking that keeping him more topped up might eliminate hunger as a cause. Hmm, didn't help but now they are accustomed to twice daily and love their meal times so I stick with it.

Do you take training food into account with her daily caloric intake ? A handful is almost a meal for my two. If I use kibble for training I deduct it from their kibble allowance and if I use dried liver or fresh chicken I deduct it from their raw.
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#3
I do try to compensate, yes, but by best guess really.

Tonight I gave her a choice, one bowl of fresh roll, the second of mostly kibble and raw, and she chose the kibble. I have a feeling the fresh went bad again. But this is the third time in two months that our fresh stuff has gone bad if that's the case (or her taste is seriously just changing again). I REALLY don't want to be on the search again but having a picky eater is very hard.

That being said, she didn't eat much - maybe 5 bites. It's like she wants to. She's just laying by her bowls.

We have tried one meal before and she just doesn't seem capable of eating that much food in one sitting (one whole day's worth). She's not active enough to burn it off either. I may try it again though.

Should I try getting completely fresh food (again), or should I just offer the kibble and raw I have left until she's eating normal again? I hesitate on the second because she usually slows down eating after a few days of kibble.

I guess the hardest thing is not knowing if I'm dealing with straight pickiness or failing miserably in the actual balance/nutrition part, or if there is something behavioral going on.

I am considering going back to just straight kibble with added fillers and raw toppers. I have a recipe for a stuffed kong that includes a mashed starch, fish, yogurt, and chicken that will suffice for a whole meal, so it will only be half a days portion of kibble + it's fillers like egg, salmon, raw chicken, yogurt etc. I don't know - this doesn't make traveling any easier tho.

   
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I would try plain kibble. If she eats it hit and miss you can use it for training maybe or in a frozen kong. Hopefully it won't go to waste. 
If you do decide to go back to the roll can you cut it up in meal size portions and freeze it? Take out enough and thaw each day? That way it won't go bad.
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Do you think she could have an upset stomach? My GSD had a very sensitive stomach and I would often give him some pumpkin and plain Greek yogurt with his meals and it seemed to help. He was also on Pepcid for acid reflux. Sometimes when his stomach was really upset I would get a powder probiotic and put that on his food, it worked faster then the yogurt.
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That's the thing, I'm almost completely convinced that's the case now. But her stomach isn't that sensitive - she's never gotten so much as the runs from switching food even when I got her. There is SOMETHING in her diet that hurts her though, and I can't figure out what it is. I am really leaning towards it being grain, but it seems to be hit or miss. Grain Free food doesn't always make things better and some grained foods can go months before having an issue.

And she's not throwing up and she's pooping regularly, so I really don't know.

I am thinking maybe getting with a vet to nail this down but if it's something I can figure out without having to pay someone to help me, that would be great lol!
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When you said her stomach was loud it made me think she might have an upset tummy.  

One other thing to consider is seasonal allergies.  When a body is reacting to an allergen in the environment it can make the body more reactive to certain foods.  That may be why Ember is fine with something for a while and then has an issue.  Also, if it is a very mild allergy or not an allergy but a sensitivity it can take weeks or months for that addition to the diet to start causing problems.

If you want to try a probiotic keep in mind that a lot of them have dairy in them.  If you go online to iHerb or Vitacost you can narrow the search to take out anything with gluten, soy, or dairy.
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Another thing about allergies/sensitivities. I have lots of issues with food and the symptoms I have are often horrible stomach pain or feeling like I have come down with the flu the next morning (body aches, feeling 'green', headache, sinus pressure). So you may not notice any obvious signs that Ember is suffering. Being off her food or not wanting to cooperate might be her way of telling you she doesn't feel well.

I'm sorry you are having to deal with this. It is so difficult when our pets are suffering and we can't have an instant fix.
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#9
She ate the entire bowl of Kibble today and it had just a few pieces of the raw topper on it for breakfast. Completely clean bowl Smile

TMM yes, that is what is worrying me. This is definitely a periodic thing (2 times in the almost 2 years I've had her, something has cumulated into 1 really nasty indoor diarrhea accident that I didn't see coming, except for the 3 or so skipped meals before hand). I agree with you, I think there is an allergy or a sensitivity involved. I think I'm going to ask the nearby vets or see if I can find a nutritional specialist to help me nail it down once and for all.
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I'd say the loud tummy is telling you something has her off, whether it was overheating, bad food, or what, I can't say, but a round of probiotics is in order. And if she gets bad smelling gas when she does this, add digestive enzymes to her food at the first sound.

Can you cut the fresh rolls into portions and freeze them? I know they say not to, but that's because when they thaw, they loose some fluid and change texture a little. It isn't a health concern, so it might be worth a try.
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