Should I have Ember's legs/spine checked?
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LOL Thanks Trifan, maybe work will let me submit it for our workout competitions Tongue

I'm not overly worried - I'm happy that she doesn't seem to be in pain. There was definite discomfort when the vet moved it around (and she was just moving it into natural positions). I won't lie - THAT was a little upsetting. I'm hearing a lot of "okay" things about the patellars. We will be focusing towards the Canine Conditioning set of classes from Fenzi from here on out. And going back to nose work as our source of training (if I have to give up the TEAM training, which I probably will, depending on the vet's final conclusions).

I don't mind working for her at all. I will tell you right now she is not understanding this crate rest thing. Silly girl can be lazy all day - as long as she has access to the couch or my bed. Let me ask her to be just as lazy without jumping, and you'd think the world was crashing down.

She's not minding the crate so much, which is good. She's just doing a lot of grunting and groaning, getting me to look at her, and then trying to be silly so I'll come over.
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(12-01-2017, 03:49 PM)Ember Wrote: LOL Thanks Trifan, maybe work will let me submit it for our workout competitions Tongue

I'm not overly worried - I'm happy that she doesn't seem to be in pain. There was definite discomfort when the vet moved it around (and she was just moving it into natural positions). I won't lie - THAT was a little upsetting. I'm hearing a lot of "okay" things about the patellars. We will be focusing towards the Canine Conditioning set of classes from Fenzi from here on out. And going back to nose work as our source of training (if I have to give up the TEAM training, which I probably will, depending on the vet's final conclusions).

I don't mind working for her at all. I will tell you right now she is not understanding this crate rest thing. Silly girl can be lazy all day - as long as she has access to the couch or my bed. Let me ask her to be just as lazy without jumping, and you'd think the world was crashing down.

She's not minding the crate so much, which is good. She's just doing a lot of grunting and groaning, getting me to look at her, and then trying to be silly so I'll come over.

Oh Bless her, I can absolutely imagine her antics. There is also a FB group that is focussed on canine conditioning, you might be able to search it out. Can't really remember the name, might simply be Canine Conditioning. I found it to be full of some really great ideas and knowledge. The Fenzi course sounds good also.

I know from my own broken body that there is so much you can do to enlist and strengthen other parts of your body to help support that which is compromised.
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#23
Glad there is a bit of a discovery. I'm happy to say that none of my dogs have had luxating Patella's but I have a cat that does, on both legs. Besides her walking funny she has never been in any pain and just can't jump as high.
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Right Smile As long as it going so long hasn't caused any permanent damage. I'm also still unsure if that diagnosis could change, but the vet was talking like that WAS it. Whatever it is, it's in that leg/hip area. She went to great lengths to explain it to me and even lay out a possible plan of attack if certain things were found. We'll find out in a week if there is more to it. Ember was so reluctant to have that leg manipulated, it wouldn't surprise me if there was just a little more to it - maybe arthritis, or a torn ligament, or something old just not healing properly.

After about half a day on this aspirin, her energy has skyrocketed. I'm guessing a lot of that is due to her being cooped up - but she is getting incredibly antsy and is very hard to hold back on a walk. I'm going to have to really wear her mind out over these next few days. I have a few ideas, including going back to nose work training, but I'll take any added ideas on top of that.

Current arsenal:
- several Kongs to stuffed her raw food in for meals (no food bowl)
- snuffle mat for treat searching
- nose work training
- any shaping homework we have (instructor knows our situation and has promised nothing movement related for the first week if not more)
- a few simple puzzle toys for more treats.
- cuddle sessions
- cardboard rolls (like from toilet paper and paper towels stuff) to stuff even more treats in.

This girl gonna be fat in a week LOL!
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The aspirin might be helping with any discomfort giving her a newfound energy. Are you still able to go on slow meandering walks outside? 
Sometime the sights and smells can help tire a restless dog. Hope you can find a happy medium for her.
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Basically, what I know about luxating patellas is that if they are bearing weight, it's way better than not bearing weight, but it may still be a long term problem. She can naturally have a shallower groove that the patella sits in or she could have an injury that stretched the ligaments that hold the patella in place. Her straight back legs make it easy for her to over extend her leg and aggravate any injury, so that crate rest is super important to see if she can get over this on her own. Just remember, if you put her on a leash and put her on the couch next to you and have her lie down, that counts. Or you can tether her and have her lie on the floor by your feet. But if she won't settle, it's back in the crate.
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#27
I'm going to try the tether. She's either in a crate in my presence or free in the training room without me - neither of which are suiting her well. At least I can see where she is pretty okay with the crate itself - it's not causing stress. She's just all of a sudden so sure she's missing out on everything and constantly trying to get me to look in her direction. She is downright silly. She grunts and groans and makes Chewbacca sounds - anything that normally makes me laugh.

And now she is CONSTANTLY trying to stand up on her back legs. Reaching for me, trying to climb me, trying to see over the baby gate if I'm not coming around the corner fast enough, poking me. Definitely going to have to try the lead. Maybe she won't feel so inclined to get my attention lol! And now all of a sudden she is basically dragging me on a walk. In 24 hours time all loose leash manners are out the door lol.
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Update

I ended up taking Ember off mandatory crate rest while I'm home and awake. She goes into the training room at night and when I leave the house, but she is so lazy when I'm home that I am comfortable just monitoring her. The reason for that was that she was beginning to wet herself often when trying to get her in a crate or in her room while home - basically throwing a temper. Still attempting to use the sling though I'm not great at ti (she looks like she is a human walking on her hands, poor thing - I'm just too tall going down the steps LOL!).

Since doing so her energy level has already come back down. She's less frantic and not working to get my attention, and is content to find one place and stay, like she usually does. She even goes into the training room on her own. I am watching and if she is getting active or going from room to room I am crating, but I haven't had to yet. She's basically sat on the couch with me all day.

Walks are still a tug of war and she is reluctant to return home - I would be too if I knew Mom was still using the sling lol.

So I think what I'm seeing is little to no change with the crate rest and aspirin. Which, if I remember correctly, is a good thing as it means definitely no pain involved. She still walks the same and the twisted in / swung out gait is intermittent like it was. There is a little bit more energy, especially while out walking, but I think her concern for her feet working is enough to keep her doing all the same things while moving around and stopping like normal. We still have a little under 5 days to go.
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#29
Erm, I might recant that. For the first time tonight brought all four paws off the floor to snap a treat out of my hand after coming back inside from a walk. She is going from very lazy to super spastic at the flip of a switch. Unfortunately all of the vet's "no no"'s have been happening in transition from must-have potty breaks to down time - not during downtime, where I would be more likely to crate for the behavior. As soon as she has her spastic moment (snapping the treat away) she goes to her "spot" and stays there for the next few hours.
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Absolutely refusing to look at me earlier today. It's so funny. You can see by her fur that she's pressing herself into the bars and looking straight up - will NOT make eye contact, even though I had given her a treat and she ate it. Apparently not good enough on the amends LOL!
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