Blue eyed collie's
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Hi everyone,

I'm new to this forum and after reading through a few threads I saw all of the support and advice from everyone so I thought it would be nice to ask a few things on here Smile 

I've got a 5 month (& 2 weeks) old border collie and she is absolutely fantastic, a really beautiful girl Smile My question is related to her colouring & markings - she has very unusual markings and I was wondering if anyone has seen another collie like mine? I've attached some photos for you to look at, ranging from 8 weeks old up to now. She has 2 white blue eyes and a predominantly white face with black patches and grey/black spots on her ears. She used to have a butterfly marked nose but as she has grown her nose has luckily turned completely black. Her body is of a more traditional collie colouring with the black & white. We saw her (both working) parents and her dad is a traditional black and white collie with amber eyes and her mother is traditional black & white with one blue eye and one brown (yet her face is completely white). My family and I were unsure as to how she has both blue eyes alongside her very unusual markings when the rest of her litter were a mix of tri-coloured/traditional black and white collies with brown eyes and honestly, she really stuck out like a sore thumb! We are asked almost everyday 'what is she crossed with?'  Confused She's already 37lbs so she's not going to be a smaller collie like her mum, rather she has very big paws and the vets seem to think she'll get to approx 45-50lbs.

Any advice or comments about your experiences with collies like this would be appreciated! I've attached some photos for you to have a look at.

Hope you are all looking forward to Christmas, 
Lizzy.


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P.s my collies name is Bronwen Smile Heres another picture of her - I couldn't resist, she is a beauty haha x


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Aww, she is a sweetie and I love how she applies her eye liner now that she is a big girl, it enhances those blue eyes. The nose colour is completely normal. Most BC's are born with pink noses and the colour developed and fills in over the following months. Most turn completely black or brown depending on coat colour. Merles will often be left with a few pink patches on the nose as that is the nature of the Merle gene.
Her eyes, well although not as common as other colours they are still normal although it more often occurs that they have bi-colour eyes. (one blue and one brown. It occurs more frequently in Merle dogs, again due to the Merle gene which does not evenly distribute colour pigment. It will not effect her eyesight at all. Mum having bi-colour eyes is likely due to her lineage which she has then passed on to her pups. Maybe mum has a Merle in her lineage also. In Australia I see many working line BC's with the predominantly white face and our Herding trainer has 7 such dogs. I don't really know why it is but I suspect that in working lines it is influenced by the fact that breeding parents are selected for their working traits rather than aesthetics. Even when breeding for show standards etc white faced pups still occur. My breeder currently has one such pup in a litter of non working lines. All other pups have usual markings as do mum and dad. It's just natural occurrence. If the whole dog were predominantly white with blue eyes there might be cause to suspect a double Merle mating which is not a good thing but that is absolutely not what comes to mind when I look at your pup.
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She is quite pretty. Border Collies come in all colors with eye colors to match. 

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Linda

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(12-15-2017, 01:10 PM)Trifan Wrote: Aww, she is a sweetie and I love how she applies her eye liner now that she is a big girl, it enhances those blue eyes. The nose colour is completely normal. Most BC's are born with pink noses and the colour developed and fills in over the following months. Most turn completely black or brown depending on coat colour. Merles will often be left with a few pink patches on the nose as that is the nature of the Merle gene.
Her eyes, well although not as common as other colours they are still normal although it more often occurs that they have bi-colour eyes. (one blue and one brown. It occurs more frequently in Merle dogs, again due to the Merle gene which does not evenly distribute colour pigment. It will not effect her eyesight at all. Mum having bi-colour eyes is likely due to her lineage which she has then passed on to her pups. Maybe mum has a Merle in her lineage also. In Australia I see many working line BC's with the predominantly white face and our Herding trainer has 7 such dogs. I don't really know why it is but I suspect that in working lines it is influenced by the fact that breeding parents are selected for their working traits rather than aesthetics. Even when breeding for show standards etc white faced pups still occur. My breeder currently has one such pup in a litter of non working lines. All other pups have usual markings as do mum and dad. It's just natural occurrence. If the whole dog were predominantly white with blue eyes there might be cause to suspect a double Merle mating which is not a good thing but that is absolutely not what comes to mind when I look at your pup.

Hi darlin, thank you so much for the reply! Honestly you've made me feel far more at ease knowing Bronwen isn't the only one to have her colouring and markings! You wouldn't believe how frustrating it is telling people that she isn't crossed with a husky or any other breed, she is a border collie through and through, albeit a different one Smile  Its nice to know that you have seen other white faced collies, I live in South Wales UK so border collies are very common place around my area and I've yet to find one that looks like her! Everybody stops to ask about her and comments on her eyes (if you watch Game of Thrones we regularly get people saying she looks like a white walker haha). Also, at 5 months old she's a big pup! Its almost like she is on stilts though her proportions haven't quite evened out yet, her head looks a little small for her body at the moment bless her haha.

When we first brought her home we did have reservations about her sight/hearing after reading about health issues being related to blue eyed/predominantly white coated collies. After having her first vet appointment within a few days of having her the vet explained that she is very healthy and the colouring was of no concern thankfully, though it is reassuring that you have said it too Smile  One thing we have noticed is that she doesn't appear to have the muscle strength in her ears for her ears to prick up like most collies, have you noticed this in other BC's yourself? Our previous border collie Josie (a Welsh border collie, tri-coloured) passed away at 17 back in 2013 and her ears would be moving up & down constantly whereas Bronwen's tend to stay quite flat, we compare her to Dobby the house elf from Harry Potter! Is this something that could develop with age?

Thanks again & hope you are having a good day,
Lizzy
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Here you go, these are the Working Line BC's belonging to our Herding Trainer. As you can see, "there really is another dog like your girl except this one hasn't done her eye liner on both eyes haha. These dogs are also quite lanky legged compared to mine. One of the things I love about BC's is the broard variety in every aspect.
At just 5 or so months her ears wouldn't have made up their mind yet which way they want to end up. Could be tipped, pricked or what is unofficially known as aeroplane ears like my youngest, (stick out to the side LOL) She could also have any combination of these and if so that just adds to her unique self.


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Pretty pup! The blue eyes are a recessive gene so both Mom and Dad have the gene for it and she got both genes for it. For the record, complete heterochromia, two different colored eyes, are common in both merle and non merle dogs and has nothing to do with the merle gene, however merles can also have merle coloring expressed in the iris of their eye, which is a different gene than the regular heterochromia.
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(12-15-2017, 05:52 PM)Trifan Wrote: Here you go, these are the Working Line BC's belonging to our Herding Trainer. As you can see, "there really is another dog like your girl except this one hasn't done her eye liner on both eyes haha. These dogs are also quite lanky legged compared to mine. One of the things I love about BC's is the broard variety in every aspect.
At just 5 or so months her ears wouldn't have made up their mind yet which way they want to end up. Could be tipped, pricked or what is unofficially known as aeroplane ears like my youngest, (stick out to the side LOL) She could also have any combination of these and if so that just adds to her unique self.

Apologies for the delay in replying! I travelled across country for a few days, getting things sorted for Christmas lol!
Thank you SO much for the pictures of the white faced BC's - honestly, its so nice and reassuring to see other BC's that look like Bronwen! All of my family have seen the pictures now & Bron resembles a lot of them (albeit without the pricked up ears haha)! Those doggies are all gorgeous! Bronwen would fit in nicely in Australia lol!! Bronwen definitely has aeroplane ears, sticking out to the side most of the time. When she lies down they roll back and she looks like the dog in the individual picture you sent, floppy eared and pretty comical  Big Grin We'l see in a few months if they decide to prick up or not, she has still got some growing to do!
Do you have any advice regarding training dogs not to chase cars? We are having a right'ol time trying to control her on the lead when she sees a car  Confused Bron is fantastic in the fields, very controllable, ball focussed and listens to commands. HOWEVER, out on the pavements walking the streets, she tries to lunge at the cars so we are keeping her on a tight lead until we know she is in the field away from cars. It really is frightening and it makes us paranoid about opening our front door just encase she sees a car in the road. Her instinct to chase is so strong, BC's certainly have their perks.. hmmm.. LOL!

Thanks again,
Lizzy
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(12-15-2017, 01:54 PM)only-borders Wrote: She is quite pretty. Border Collies come in all colors with eye colors to match. 

Welcome to our little group.

Hi there,

Sorry for taking ages to reply - I've been across country for a few days trying to get things sorted for Christmas.
Thank you for your reply - its lovely to know I am now part of a BC loving community Smile Having only seen BC's with one blue eye it was definitely a shock for us when we initially saw her, but through talking to you guys it is reassuring to know it isn't all that uncommon (& isn't related to the double merle gene thankfully). It has just been a frustrating time getting people to acknowledge that she is a collie, it is her eyes and her facial markings which seem to put people off. The pictures I've sent don't do her justice bless her lol! She's in the ugly duckling phase whilst her proportions are out of sorts and her ears can't decide what to do haha.
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It's mostly the people who don't know Border Collies that tend to argue what kind f a dog you have. 

I had a blue merle with blue eyes and I can't count how many people insisted she was a "mini huskey". After trying to correct them I started saying, I never knew what she was, thank you. Then they would walk away all full of themselves and feeling good. All the while I had a big grin on my face.  Big Grin

It's OK that people don't understand. We know and love them that's all that matters.
Linda

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