Dogs are not human.
#1
Just a little rant. When I read, "Dogs are as smart as toddlers". I want to scream or cry. I'm an adult and I know zero words in Chinese but if you put me in a rural area of China I could figure out the language... because I am human. As a human a table is a table no matter what you call it but does a dog need a table? Tasha and Mattie are smart, so smart it is scary but they don't worry about tables.. or sofas... or ottomans. Dogs have no need for human things... please stop requiring them to live up to human expectations.


   
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(Yesterday, 12:09 AM)Tasha\s&Mattie Wrote:   ... don't worry about tables.. or sofas... or ottomans. Dogs have no need for human things...

Tables? Only use I can see is a place to look under after my humans eat to maybe scarf up a tidbit that may have dropped - usually nothing, but sometimes - jackpot! (however I am not allowed to sit there and beg while they are eating, and I am very obedient about that, and I am never fed table scraps).

Ottomans? Nope, too small to lie on comfortably.

Sofas? Hey, one of the greatest inventions of humans, in my opinion! I have choice of 3 in my house. Just right to hop up on and take a little nap during the day, and curling up on the sofa with my humans to watch a little TV before I go to bed is one of my favorite things.

I guess I don't need them, but they are a part of my domesticated life, so I'll make use of them if I can. Smile

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#3
They say that based of the number of words that they say a toddler has in their vocabulary vs the number of words that most dogs can learn. My dogs may not have any use for a table, but they do know "Go get on the couch." isn't the same thing as "Go get in bed." which isn't the same thing as "Go get in your crate." Yes, their understanding of what makes any one of those things is completely different than a toddler's understanding. I couldn't take them to someone else's house and tell them to go find a bed, as an example. Even though I generally don't like dog to human comparisons, as long as they are in context, I think they are helpful to some people's understanding. Most of the time when I see someone bring up this idea, it's when someone is asking the dog to understand something far too complex, or when someone has no expectations for their dog because they think the dog is too stupid. So someone is usually trying to explain how they can expect less or more and why.
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(Yesterday, 06:35 AM)Sunny Wrote: Ottomans? Nope, too small to lie on comfortably.

Sofas? Hey, one of the greatest inventions of humans, in my opinion! I have choice of 3 in my house. Just right to hop up on and take a little nap during the day, and curling up on the sofa with my humans to watch a little TV before I go to bed is one of my favorite things.

Sunny, Tasha wanted me to let you know that ottomans can be very useful if you have a sister (Mattie) and she has a toy you want (any toy Mattie is playing is the best toy ever!) then you can perch on the ottoman and bark at your sister to let the humans know how upset you are with the situation.  And Tasha agrees with you about sofas.  They are the best invention ever!

And, I need to add, Sunny is so pretty!

(11 hours ago)Gideon\s mom Wrote: Even though I generally don't like dog to human comparisons, as long as they are in context, I think they are helpful to some people's understanding.  Most of the time when I see someone bring up this idea, it's when someone is asking the dog to understand something far too complex, or when someone has no expectations for their dog because they think the dog is too stupid.  So someone is usually trying to explain how they can expect less or more and why.

Gideon's Mom, I agree with you.  My rant came from people saying, "He knew what I wanted and he disobeyed!"  Did your dog really understand what you wanted?  

And a video of that TV guy (CM) torturing a poor dog because he was convinced the dog was bad.  Yes, the dog had issues but so many people don't look at those issues from the dog's perspective.  

My dogs love to go to the park and often I need to drop off or pick up my daughter from some activity.  I can tell them, "We have to go get her and then we will go to the park".  Tasha and Mattie understand and will curl up on the seat in the car and wait for me to run my errand before their fun trip to the park.  I love that they understand but I don't expect them to understand and I wouldn't punish them if they got excited.
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Oh, I understand better now. I was feeling guilty because I will often make references to toddlers and teenagers when trying to explain something. Not in a humanising way but such as, "putting too much responsibility in the hands of a toddler" or "expecting too much of a toddler", I also compare pups at certain ages to teenagers with hormones bouncing around. It's a comparison most people can relate to irrespective of canine experience.

Oh my, watching a video of "CM" is enough to get one riled up. Agh, he's an idiot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is how Max feels at the idea of not needing a couch LOL


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Trifan, cute photos, Max is adorable! My dogs look the same relaxing on the couch! I'm the oldest of five and my baby sister was born two weeks before I turned 16 so I have always been around small children. And I agree 100% that having collies is like having a toddler or a teenager and the comparison is natural. It is just when people expect a dog to be like a human that it makes me upset. And, I agree, CM is an idiot. I have a lovely neighbor that has a reactive dog and has been watching CM to help them. I am planning to drop by with treats and a clicker to give them a better method of dealing with their reactive dog.
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