Foods & Plants Dangerous to Dogs
This is nice!! Now I know what my dog can eat and what she can't!
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Good thread. I have a sizeable vegetable garden and had checked on them. Addie has taken a liking to plum tomatoes but I only let her have one ripe one at a time. Even if they are okay moderation is a key. I'm glad I found out about the grapes as I almost did the stupid human thing and let here eat some off the vine.
The way puppies want to put everything in their mouths this thread should be a must read for all puppy owners.
(08-29-2010, 07:00 AM)rick van dyke Wrote: Good thread. I have a sizeable vegetable garden and had checked on them. Addie has taken a liking to plum tomatoes but I only let her have one ripe one at a time. Even if they are okay moderation is a key. I'm glad I found out about the grapes as I almost did the stupid human thing and let here eat some off the vine.
The way puppies want to put everything in their mouths this thread should be a must read for all puppy owners.

Bella used to have them but not anymore!!, my two eat veg and they love it!!.
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I was under the impression that raw meats and bones were dangerous to dogs. My vet told me that raw meat contains e coli and salmonella both of which are pretty much universally harmful.
Bones also tend to splinter and can tear the digestive tract, there have been cases where dgos chew on bones and swallow the fragments which cause some damage to the digestive tract.
I was puzzled by the vets claims that raw meat is harmful to dogs since their ancestors would have lived on exactly that. My thought was that it would be dangerous to leave meat in the bowl to fester, or to serve meat that's been kept at 3-4 degrees - If I fed my dog raw meat (I tend to cook it since I abhor dog food am cagey about raw food since domestic dogs are a remove from their meat eating ancestors) I would serve near frozen (obv. not frozen).
All the guide books I read said the same thing ( and thats that bones can splinter and cause intestinal obstructions and can be fatal in some cases I think it all depends on the *type* of bone.s The advice I have seen is to use larger smooth bones which still have a meat/fat covering. Small bones *will* chip (common sense dictates that) bigger bones however wont. We're talking huge ones too, the type usually seen in cartoons as thick as your forearm or even bulkier. Different bones will react differently to stress I suppose- i will indeed do more research as im a newbie to the world of canines
I hope you dont think I was trying to dish it out - it was all offered in the spirit of aid rather than arrogance heh.
p.s. its true alot of vets do benefit from covering pedigree chum's back since the harm it does to dogs leads those very dogs back to the vet's door - clever but shameful business practise.
I'll have a look for raw meat diets, since I would rather feed my little angel raw meat so he's getting the protein un-denatured and with its "natural goodness" intact.
(03-10-2011, 04:26 PM)Herding Addict Wrote: My apologies if I sounded poorly in my post. Unfortunately, there are a lot of misinformed people who slander raw diet without ever doing any research, or picking and choosing what they want to see and disregarding other factors in the reasoning behind feeding a species appropriate diet to dogs. I am very accustomed to being challenged by my choice to feed my dogs a raw diet and I think sometimes it gets the better of me. I really do have a live and let live mentality of dog feeding. I don't condemn anyone for choosing to feed kibble, even though I personally feel raw is a much better choice. I know it's not something eveyone can or chooses to do for their dogs. I only hope that kibble feeders will try to maintain an open mind and allow me the same courtesy, but often this is not the case I'm afriad.

My dogs eat one raw meal a day, generally at refridgerator temperature. I have a feeding set up, with a table and mini fridge specifically dedicated to raw feeding storage and meal prep. I also have crates for my dogs to eat their meals inside to contain any mess and make for easy clean up. When I put the food into the crate for each dog, it is gone in less than 10 minutes usually, depending on the item. Things like deer/sheep/lamb ribs and turkey necks take a little longer for the dogs to consume as it takes longer to crunch up those bones. But I have never had a meal sit around or left and in the cases where I feed a really large portion, I will pick up any left overs they happen to not eat and refridgerate it for the next day.

Generally, raw bones don't splinter. If they chip, that's really not an issue if they are fragment pieces (such as ribs) as they are perfectly digestable, tho my dogs crunch rib bones up just fine. The biggest issue with any kind of raw bone is going to be in the larger type you described, the weight bearing bones of mammals. These are very dense and do not crunch up like the others I mentioned. The issue with these types is that they are so hard and dense, that dogs have cracked their teeth on them. In my experience, this depends on your dog. Some dogs are very hard and intense chewers and these bones would be an issue and likely teeth cracking a possibility. But for my Border Collies, they do just fine with a meaty marrow, weight bearing type of bone, as they are not that hard/intense of a chewer. So it's a "know thy dog" sort of thing. My dogs are fine with them, but some dogs can and have cracked teeth.

When I began researching raw diet, I looked at many different things. One of them was the wolf and their eating habits. What I learned in my research is that wolves and dogs share 99.8% of their genetic make up. That .02% difference is most likely attributed to the outward appearances of our domestic dogs that we as humans have changed to meet our personal needs and preferences. But internally, they are made the same including their digestive system.

Something else I noted is that dogs have really only been on kibble for 50 years or so. Prior to that, they were fed table and hunting scraps, sometimes cooked, sometimes raw. I don't believe that 50 years of kibble feeding is enough to drastically change my dogs ability to consume a species appropriate raw diet. So I made my decision to feed raw on this research and much more I looked into along the way. I was at it a year before I finally put my dogs on a raw diet and have continued to learn much since that time.

But everyone is different in what they choose to do for their dogs. Some people cook meat, some do veggies with their raw diets, some do supplements and some are like me, doing only a variety diet of raw meats, organs and bone. Variety is a very important nutritional key for our dogs Smile

Cheers for taking the time out to write that post. Ive been looking into the bone/meat issue and there is no general consensus - this means that it is a matter of using your own judgement. Based on your experiences with your dogs I would assume that you are indeed in a good position to give informed advice, but as you said it is vitally important to look at these things on a case by case basis rather than applying a hard and fast rule.
I also agree that bones rich in marrow are the way to go, large smooth bones are likely to chip dog teeth which can lead to some nasty gum infections and obviously discomfort for dogs which is the last thing we want. I think that the safe option would be to go for the corn starch route since all dogs (unless they have allergies) will be able to set to work on a corn bone without any problems.
I admire the thoroughness of your research too and the fact that you apply a touch of common sense to it all - all the research in the world wont replace the ability to actually kick back and do a little bit of reasoning, and yes kibble and dog foods are a recent invention and wont have affected domestic dogs' natural feeding patterns- give it a couple hundred years and the situation might have changed somewhat!
Keep it up and I wish you and your dogs health and happiness Big Grin
Very nice information I was aware of Chocolate and grapes but not of other things discuss in the thread
There was mention an another thread about whether fruit was ok for dogs so I thought I would dig this up for everyone.
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My pup came eating raw and still eats raw. She doesn't digest processed food well at all and thrives on raw. I supervise bones but have not had problems.
It isn't an either/or it is a personal choice. If she wasn't on raw, i would cook her food myself rather than trust manufacturers.
Some really good and valuable information on plants, foods and stuff to watch out for.
I was suprised to see tea in the list, Ozzie has a cup of tea every day, he'd be most miffed without it, My dad always gave his dogs a cupa too each day and all his dogs lived til a ripe old age 17/18 year olds.
My Other Border Collie 'Jim' has enjoyed home cooked food mixed in with his kibble, spaghetti bol, chill con carne, roast dinnesr, pizza, curry, pies - you name it he tried it and never had any health probs until he was 15 when he died of a virus caused by the blue algae in the lake water.
I don't tend to give Ozzie much human food, he enjoys his kibble so the odd bit of cake,sausages, chicken ham, scrambled eggs, toast, weetabix, oats, cheese, satsuma or banana is about it.
I changed vets recently as the guy told me off for giving him scrambled egg with toast in morning for breckers! He reckoned NO dog should have any human food what-so-ever. I do believe things in moderation are ok, my Jim and my dads dogs Shep, sheba, monty and west all lived happilly and well on variety.
I would have thought some variety would build up the immune with them?

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