How I deal with Biting/Mouthing
#31
P.S. Maybe you can find an acceptable game they can play while you supervise and intervene if you don't like how things are going. It is your job to decide what you want the dog to do or not do and let others know your desires. Annoying as I am to my family about it it is totally worth it. I have kids they play frisbee, recall games. NO CHASING GAMES...that encourages excitement and that leads to mouthing. Others may have game ideas. I stink at group kid games. Any help guys?
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#32
Great piece, very informative. Thumbsup
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#33
this helped me alot thank for great advice
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#34
Always great to see someone sharing what so many people struggle with when it comes to their pets. I really struggled with Sammy chewing/ nipping and especially because i unknowingly encouraged the behavior. Kongs were helpful though. Great to see him all grown up but it is always greater enjoying raising them up in the best way we can.
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#35
I am new to bc's (on #2 now) but not to training (titled a dozen dogs in my life).

Whether or not you allow puppies to bite is NOT something you should determine as a matter of your personal philosophy. It should be a reaction to the temperament of the INDIVIDUAL PUP.

A puppy who is truly aggressive and over-confident should learn to rein that in, but a puppy lacking confidence or who is shy and uses snapping to keep other dogs or people out of their fight-or-flight zone should not be suppressed in the same way. Take away the fight option and you force such a dog to FLEE (or try to flee) whenever he is feeling uncomfortable. Much better is to teach them that they can fight AND WIN -- standing their ground is vastly safer and saner than fleeing in adult life. (There are no other options: fight or flee is what their instinctual package offers.)

I allow puppies to play AND WIN tug of war games until I build their confidence to high levels and only then start winning when it seems they think they are in charge. Much easier to suppress too much confidence than build up too little as an adult. I want my puppies to all have the confidence to STAY IN THE GAME, to have the confidence to put an end to unwanted intrusion into their space while standing tall and not having to flee in an avoidant way when they are uncomfortable. (Some dogs, trapped, flee inwardly, just shutting down -- very sad.)

So the question of puppy mouthing and biting is all about the puppy -- not us. The more you tolerate, the more confidence they will have later and the more alpha challenges you will have to face later. Training a male bull mastiff and you are 100 lbs? Sadly for the bull mastiff, you will have to shut down challenges when he is still a baby. Training a sheltie and you are a grown adult? Shutting down challenges too young creates avoidant scaredy-cats.

As I am a large man with lots of experiences with bigger dogs, I have let my 5 1/2 month old bc bite me quite a lot. Yet by 4-5 months he stopped almost entirely --based upon my mock crying out (like a litter mate -- not an alpha dog). That is, he chose to not hurt me from a position of power, not submission.

Just my opinion, of course.
The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated.

-- Mahatma Gandhi
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#36
brunette453,'index.php?page=Thread&postID=121329#post121329 Wrote:Laddey is getting pretty good with furniture and shoes. I say no she drops it then i point to a toy wait till she grabs the praise her. How ever she gets these brain farts when it comes to my girlfriends panties and socks she grabs them and runs around like a mad dog. Its not like she is not stimulated enough i spend most of my time with her when im not working, cleaning, or cooking. I dont know what to do any more.

Socks and pants smell of you so are enticing.

I had a lab come to me once, was going to be put to sleep due to aggression. I will always remember him as one that really tested me, and I nearly gave up. It was trust, and to cut a long story short, he changed from a dog that would attack anyone that looked at him, to a cheeky little kid character that was probably the most loving and rewarding dog I had had at that time.

He always was a bit naughty, that I could live with as he was still young. When we had bosses round for dinner, he would head for the washing basket and out came the smalls that he would swing around the dining table proudly.

In his case, it was less comfort and more attention seeking. He was being ignored, so he was going to get your attention and initially it worked. Ignoring him was the cure for this. He then gave up that idea. Try putting the washing/smalls somewhere safe out of reach - even just by shutting those doors and when he starts wandering or pacing - or in our old labs case, went quiet - then make a point of giving some fuss BEFORE anything is taken and it should hopefully stop the attention seeking or insecurity. For pure boredom, put down fresh treats in a kong type ball or bone - WHEN this pacing/mischief-hunting begins.
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