Bungalocity,'index.php?page=Thread&postID=151502#post151502 Wrote:So this is my 2 cents. I know I'm in the minority here, so go easy on me lol...
Bungalocity,'index.php?page=Thread&postID=151502#post151502 Wrote:Ban the breed and all of its variants for all I care, I wouldn't lose a night of sleep over it...
I'm in the minority with you on this one
If something could be done about the idiots who get these types of dogs wanting them to be aggressive, deliberately breed them to be so, or get them with good intentions but haven't got a clue how to handle them or train them, fair enough. But that ain't gonna happen anytime soon. I wouldn't want people's pets dragged from them to be pts (unless aggressive to people and/or dogs) but I say ban breeding of them (with a very large fine for doing so) and let them die out and in the meantime ALL of them muzzled in public unless the dog passes a thorough behaviour assessment to show they are safe with people AND dogs, to be paid for by the owner. Though I guess then that the thugs wanting status dogs would then ruin another breed such as the GSD :evil:
We've had three incidents with dogs having a go at Barks, all staffies. He was bitten as a very young pup and had a small hole on his muzzle. At obedience class he was sitting by my side and a staffie flew across the room to have a pop. We were out on a walk in a country park, huge open space with nowhere to hide, heard a lot of shouting and yelling, looked round to see a huge staffie coming at us hell for leather with its young male owner racing after it trying to call it back. It was obvious the lad knew his dog wasn't coming to say hello nicely. Those few seconds waiting for it to reach us were terrifying. Marc got down and tried to protect Barks with his body, I tried to put myself between them and it. It went straight at Barks who made no attempt to fight back. Luckily the owner moved like lightening and wasn't far behind his dog. When I said perhaps given his dogs temperament and potential for causing injury he should keep it on a lead he threatened to set it on me.
We've also had one incident with Jessie. She was greeting someone we know with his dogs and there was a large off lead entire male staffie just a few feet away. Now this dog has bitten a Yorkie we know and left it limping and needing vet treatment, yet we still tried to be non-judgemental and so didn't panic and recall Jessie (wouldn't have it anywhere near Barks tho as he is also entire, he's put on lead as soon as we spot it). Jess didn't even look at this dog, just went into her usual submissive pose saying hello to the human and dogs she knew. Then we saw the staffie stiffen, its tail erect and stiff and we knew what was coming. Fortunately its owner was standing right there and pulled it straight off her. He then grinned inanely and said "He just wants to play really". Yeah right.
When I took Barks to puppy socialisation classes, there was a young woman with a Dogue de Bordeaux male. He was as big then as Barks is now and she was struggling. I happened to bump into her some time later when both our dogs were fully grown. Her boy was huge and clearly totally out of control. She had him on lead, she admitted she couldn't let him off as she wouldn't get him back but he was far too strong for her, literally dragging her along the path. I just muttered something and beat a very hasty retreat, praying she wouldn't let go or that the lead would break.
So,no, I don't like bull breeds. I know they can be great with people but I want my dogs to be safe too. It's the sheer power these dogs have and the
damage they can do compared to other breeds. Dogs are social animals, to my mind these bull breeds are an aberration.
I would add that the first friend Barks made as a very young puppy was a lovely little staffie girl. They used to playfight together and she'd have her huge jaws round his neck and never ever hurt him. She still adores him but he's no longer interested, possibly because of the above incidents. Her owner has had staffies before and always from a responsible breeder who breeds for good temperament. If they were all like her I would have no problem whatsoever, I trust her completely.
And son and d-in-law have a little staffie girl who is fine with our two (actually she's a bit short on doggy good manners so our Jess disciplines
her!). In face she's been beaten up by a couple of Border Terriers and only the other week had a huge gash on her nose thanks to a Chihuahua
. Neither time she did retaliate.
Yes we all know that it can be those pesky little terriers (actually I love 'em
) that can be the most ferocious. But no JRT is going to take our Jessie down and maul her to death.
"Punish the deed not the breed" is of no use to me, once the deed is done my dog could be dead and its too late.
Sorry, gone on a bit. For anyone that got this far